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"Slash is one of the most emotional guitar players that I've ever met or ever seen, and coming from Indiana, I used to play with this guitar player named Paul and I learned about blues and emotionalism and stuff through him, and he was a big Page fanatic, and then I came to LA and I saw all these people trying to be Eddie van Halen, and it took five years to find somebody who played more from the heart rather than just trying to be the fastest, trying to do this and that to be a big rock star, someone who'll, like, he'll be very quiet and stuff most of the time and really won't let a lot of himself out until he picks up a guitar, and then his heart and soul seems to pour out through the guitar, and it's just like, I sit down a lot of times at shows, I'll sit right on the stage, right in front of his (Slash's) amp when he's doing a solo, because it just, it means so much to me just to hear that."--Axl Rose, 1988.

Exact opposite of what Ron is.

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Not really.

But BBF is one of those guitar players who was more in the Eddie van Halen sort of "play as fast as possible and that makes you great" school of guitar players. His playing is basically the sort of guitar playing that GN'R wasn't supposed to be about. Buckethead may have shredded, but he was also capable of putting emotion in his solos. Finck may have sucked live, but his solos in the studio had emotion. BBF's solos don't. They're just fast guitar wankery (for example, the elephant solo in Shackler's)....Not really in the spirit of GN'R.

A guitarist may be technically great, may be able to sing in Whisper Mode or whatever...But name me one legendary riff BBF has come up with (ala Jungle) or one legendary, all time beloved solo (like November Rain's). Being technically great doesn't make you great overall.

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yes because fretless guitars suck. simple.

:facepalm:

Excuse me, as that has nothing to do with Guns n' Roses, Slash, Axl, or any of that shit but :

You are a complete idiot.

Have you ever thought of the possibility that this instrument was not invented to play Guns n' Roses songs on them you fucking fool ?

It has a fucking purpose. Not everything revolves around your shitty band.

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yes because fretless guitars suck. simple.

:facepalm:

Excuse me, as that has nothing to do with Guns n' Roses, Slash, Axl, or any of that shit but :

You are a complete idiot.

Have you ever thought of the possibility that this instrument was not invented to play Guns n' Roses songs on them you fucking fool ?

It has a fucking purpose. Not everything revolves around your shitty band.

I wouldn't say kostabi's right or that he's wrong. All that i know is that i've been playing guitar for way to long to hear a fucking 17 year old tell me what is and what's not.

So, i'll tell you: Fretless guitar is not hard to play . It's basicaly something to make it easier to play. Take it from someone who knows. And I'm not saying that BBF is worst beacuse of that,

what I'm trying to proove Broski is that whatever fast shit BBF plays on the guitar, every guitarist knows what to do. While I'm not saying Slash is my favourite player, Page is, but still, the feud on this topic

is about BBF and Slash, so let me continue, Slash's better because what he does is revolutionary the same way Jimmy Hendrix did, and what they do is still light years away from our comprehension.

Wether you like it or not, Slash is on the top of the players with Page, Perry, Hendrix, Clapton and whatever classical players that you might think, and BBF isn't because he doesn't play anything that a 12 year old with 2 years of guitar can't play.

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I wouldn't say kostabi's right or that he's wrong. All that i know is that i've been playing guitar for way to long to hear a fucking 17 year old tell me what is and what's not.

So, i'll tell you: Fretless guitar is not hard to play . It's basicaly something to make it easier to play. Take it from someone who knows. And I'm not saying that BBF is worst beacuse of that,

what I'm trying to proove Broski is that whatever fast shit BBF plays on the guitar, every guitarist knows what to do. While I'm not saying Slash is my favourite player, Page is, but still, the feud on this topic

is about BBF and Slash, so let me continue, Slash's better because what he does is revolutionary the same way Jimmy Hendrix did, and what they do is still light years away from our comprehension.

Wether you like it or not, Slash is on the top of the players with Page, Perry, Hendrix, Clapton and whatever classical players that you might think, and BBF isn't because he doesn't play anything that a 12 year old with 2 years of guitar can't play.

Yeah.

Let me tell you something.

I have been a musician for 20 years. Started with violin, studied music theory for eight years, then switched to guitar and my part time job is taking commissions to make music for animated comics, indie video games and stuff like that.

Anyway.

I own 6 guitars including a fretless guitar and I don't know what you have been smoking but what you've said about fretless guitars is completely wrong.

I will explain why.

You see, to play a fretless guitar PROPERLY, you have to place your fingers at the exact spot where the note should be, exactly as on a violin. You have to actually use your ears. Which means a fretless guitar is EXTREMELY difficult to play in chords if you want them to sound spot on because there are no frets to make sure the note is actually the same in between two frets.

The purpose of the frets is to allow you to make the string shorter or longer by limiting its length. Thus, between two frets the note stays the same because the string virtually starts vibrating from the fret that is before your finger and down to the bridge.

Another thing : whatever fast shit BBF plays on the guitar every guitarist knows what to do.

Yeah...I don't know whether you have studied theory or not but there is "hard shit" ( aka playing scales, arpeggios fast, sweeping, hybrid picking ) and then there is "very hard shit" ( aka the nonsensical, chaotic, shit that people like Bumblefoot, Guthrie Govan, Christophe Godin and people like that play ).

You find me a logical pattern among the lead parts in that shit and I give you an award :

http://www.bumblefoot.com/aobf/bookpics.htm

What you need to understand is that there is a WORLD outside of blues rock, hard rock and stuff that everybody listens to.

If you think that rock musicians are the absolute best as far as musicianship goes ( because music is up to everyone's taste, but when we're talking technique and theory I'm afraid we're dealing with facts ), well...give jazz a listen, take some improvisation classes, try playing outside of the blues patterns and then start lecturing me about legends and whatnot because I simply am not interested in what mankind thinks of rock n' roll. I'd rather talk about "music".

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I wouldn't say kostabi's right or that he's wrong. All that i know is that i've been playing guitar for way to long to hear a fucking 17 year old tell me what is and what's not.

So, i'll tell you: Fretless guitar is not hard to play . It's basicaly something to make it easier to play. Take it from someone who knows. And I'm not saying that BBF is worst beacuse of that,

what I'm trying to proove Broski is that whatever fast shit BBF plays on the guitar, every guitarist knows what to do. While I'm not saying Slash is my favourite player, Page is, but still, the feud on this topic

is about BBF and Slash, so let me continue, Slash's better because what he does is revolutionary the same way Jimmy Hendrix did, and what they do is still light years away from our comprehension.

Wether you like it or not, Slash is on the top of the players with Page, Perry, Hendrix, Clapton and whatever classical players that you might think, and BBF isn't because he doesn't play anything that a 12 year old with 2 years of guitar can't play.

Yeah.

Let me tell you something.

I have been a musician for 20 years. Started with violin, studied music theory for eight years, then switched to guitar and my part time job is taking commissions to make music for animated comics, indie video games and stuff like that.

Anyway.

I own 6 guitars including a fretless guitar and I don't know what you have been smoking but what you've said about fretless guitars is completely wrong.

I will explain why.

You see, to play a fretless guitar PROPERLY, you have to place your fingers at the exact spot where the note should be, exactly as on a violin. You have to actually use your ears. Which means a fretless guitar is EXTREMELY difficult to play in chords if you want them to sound spot on because there are no frets to make sure the note is actually the same in between two frets.

The purpose of the frets is to allow you to make the string shorter or longer by limiting its length. Thus, between two frets the note stays the same because the string virtually starts vibrating from the fret that is before your finger and down to the bridge.

Another thing : whatever fast shit BBF plays on the guitar every guitarist knows what to do.

Yeah...I don't know whether you have studied theory or not but there is "hard shit" ( aka playing scales, arpeggios fast, sweeping, hybrid picking ) and then there is "very hard shit" ( aka the nonsensical, chaotic, shit that people like Bumblefoot, Guthrie Govan, Christophe Godin and people like that play ).

You find me a logical pattern among the lead parts in that shit and I give you an award :

http://www.bumblefoot.com/aobf/bookpics.htm

What you need to understand is that there is a WORLD outside of blues rock, hard rock and stuff that everybody listens to.

If you think that rock musicians are the absolute best as far as musicianship goes ( because music is up to everyone's taste, but when we're talking technique and theory I'm afraid we're dealing with facts ), well...give jazz a listen, take some improvisation classes, try playing outside of the blues patterns and then start lecturing me about legends and whatnot because I simply am not interested in what mankind thinks of rock n' roll. I'd rather talk about "music".

Fretless guitar playing might be very cool but it's the last thing GNR needs.

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Fretless guitar playing might be very cool but it's the last thing GNR needs.

And I agree with that.

I feel Bumblefoot is 50% underused and 50% out of place...

I love his playing but not for "GnR" reasons...

I don't approve of this band being called Guns n' Roses.

But when arguing people have to know what they are talking about... :shrugs2:

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When did i ever say that i only like rock? It is my main listen to, but i never said i don't listen to Jazz or Classical music.

There's only one thing that i don't like musically: Pop and overproduced bullshit, and i also hate Dance music.

If there's something that i love is to listen to some Muddy Waters and to listen to Miles Davis's Bitches Brew.

Some time ago Guns N Roses were my favourite band. When they were together they ruled the world and didn't make one bad music.

But nowadays it took Axl 14 years to make a new album, wich is pretty good, but not good enough for the time he made me wait for it.

I like every type of music from Jazz to Rock N Roll, from Classical to Accapella. Don't put things in my mouth.

What i tried to say is waht BBF does is not very hard and a loooooooot of people can do it as he does and even better.

But I'm not taking away his credit for what he did in Ch Dem wich i think is pretty good considering what BH did first.

But it is a cashgrab what they did. Admit it.

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What i tried to say is waht BBF does is not very hard and a loooooooot of people can do it as he does and even better.

Mr. Stadlin, listen man. You get yourself worked up and you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about.

Stop talking about Ron like you know anything about his music because you clearly do not. FYI - Guns N' Roses isn't the only thing he's ever done. He has made more music.

Have you morons (Manets and Broski) ever play frettless guitar? Then shut the fuck up.

Playing fretless guitar is extremely difficult. Yes, I have attempted to play it. Maybe you should wait for me to answer before saying "then shut the fuck up". I never took it seriously though because I don't really need to play it for what I do (and it's hard as fuck).

Ron is one of the most advanced players in modern guitar playing. If you don't think he belongs in GNR, fine. I disagree but I can see where you are coming from. But stop talking out your ass about things you don't know anything about and then getting worked up into a frenzy when people call you out on it.

Ron is one of the best fretless players there is. He makes it look easy (and as much as you want to insist it isn't, you're wrong).

Here is a quote from fretless virtuoso Tim Donahue.

I like Ron Thal's playing. I don't mean this to sound too harsh, but to me, most fretless players sound like average guitarists playing terribly out of tune. Most have a long way to go in developing good fretless tone. That's why I like Ron- he sounds like Ron.

I think I'll take the word of a master of fretless playing over a biased internet troll.

What the hell do you mean it's easy to play a fretless and it's made to make it easier to play guitar? That is the furthest thing from the truth I've ever heard. Do you even know what a fretless guitar is? :rofl-lol:

What Bumblefoot does is extremely hard and I can't think of more than 2 players that can even come close to what he can do with music. Who are these "a loooooooot of people can do it as he does and even better"? Since there are so many, you shouldn't have a problem listing a few. Please, enlighten me.

You want to go on ranting about Jimmy Page and Slash. Go ahead. Great players. But don't try to belittle Ron's talent when you know not a single thing about it. I really doubt you've ever even picked up a guitar in your life.

Yes. I'm being the troll.

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